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How the Polish Saved Western Civilation  

kzoopair 73M/71F
8610 posts
9/11/2014 12:32 pm
How the Polish Saved Western Civilation

O east is east and west is west and never the twain shall meet
Til earth and sky stand presently at God's great judgement seat
But there is neither east nor west, nor border nor breed nor birth
When two strong men stand face to face, though they come from the ends of the earth.
Rudyard Kipling

There was another September 11, in 1683.
The Empire of the Ottoman Turks was at its zenith. An invasion of central Europe was undertaken, with the city of Vienna as its focus and main objective. Vienna was the jewel, the gateway to Europe, controlling the Danube and the main east-west trade route. The Grand Vizier Kara Mustafa Pasha invaded with an army of three hundred thousand and laid siege to Vienna on 14 July 1683. Its defenders, the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation (Hapsburg) were outnumbered and up against it. Louis XIV of France elected not to assist the Hapsburgs, who were rivals for control of europe. It looked bad for Vienna, and for central Europe

The burning question inside the besieged city was whether the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth would honor its alliance and send troops to the aid of Vienna. That question was answered on 6 September 1683 when the king of Poland Jan III Sobieski crossed the Danube with thirty thousand Polish troops. Jan Sobieski was well known to be a brilliant military commander and was given command upon his arrival- on 11 September.

The Polish cavalry camped that night atop the Kahlenberg, overlooking the city. An early morning mass was said for them before dawn. Shortly afterward the Turks attacked the walls of the city. They had weakened its defences with mines and sappers and felt that Vienna was now ripe for the picking. As the battle raged, a relief army of Polish infantry attacked the Ottoman right flank. Kara Mustafa continued to concentrate on his central attack on the city walls instead of repelling the assault of the Poles, and by late afternoon the Poles held the high ground on the Ottoman right. At this point, about five in the afternoon, the Polish lancers descended the slopes of the Kahlenberg with Jan Sobieski at their head. Twenty thousand of the famed and feared Polish Winged Hussars charged down the hill into the Turks, flying the banner of the Black Madonna and sweeping the enemy before them. It was the largest cavalry charge in history.

The garrison of the city rushed out to join the attack and forced the Turks to retreat. Tired and dispirited after the exhausting day long battle, the Ottomans limped back to the south whence they had come. Their baggage train was looted and the plunder was rich, but the accolades for Jan III Sobieski were richer. He was hailed as the Saviour of Christendom, and lived to savor his victory. He wrote to his wife: "All the common people kissed my hands, my feet, my clothes; others only touched me, saying: 'Ah, let us kiss so valiant a hand!"

Kara Mustafa Pasha was executed for his failure by strangulation with a silken scarf and his head was delivered in a vevet bag to the Sultan Mehmed IV.

The Battle of Vienna was the last major incursion into Europe by the Ottoman Turks. Jan Sobieski died in Wilanow, Poland on 17 June 1696. He had spent his life fighting and defeating the Turks. There is a very good movie about the Battle of Vienna-"The Day of the Siege: September 11, 1683".




The Charge of the Polish Hussars



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kzoopair 73M/71F
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9/11/2014 1:29 pm

    Quoting  :

People WILL fight, won't they? And it ain't over yet, The Ballad of East and West. I learned about John Sobieski when researching my wife's family. the title of the post is borrowed from Tom Cahill's "How the Irish Saved Civilisation". My wife is equal parts Welsh, Irish, Magyar and Polish, so I'm covered either way, Irish or Polish, at least on the home front. In the view of most Americans Poland is a bit of a whipping boy in history, but it wasn't always so. They really did save our Judeo Christian asses that day.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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9/11/2014 1:30 pm

    Quoting AmeliaCox:
    What a great read, dear Kzoo... Thank you for such an interesting history lesson.
Thank you, Mel. I figured it was time somebody gave a shout out to Poland.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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9/11/2014 1:35 pm

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I'm jealous! I would love to visit Wilanow. Jan Sobieski was such a heroic figure, so dashing and noble. He was the hero of the battle and the man of the hour in 1683. And, by honoring his commitment to the Holy Roman Empire he really did shape western history.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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9/11/2014 5:28 pm

    Quoting Smurfnturf:
    Crap. You went and made me learn something interesting. I hate when that happens!
You made my day. When I first learned about Jan III I knew I had found gold. JRR Tolkien must surely have modeled several of his heroes on Jan. He was the genuine article, honorable, gallant and steadfast, and Polish to boot. His Lancers had a very romantic look to them, too. Armored and helmed, with those tall wings and the standard of the Black Madonna and the Polish eagle, they look for all the world like a flight of avenging angels. Stirring stuff!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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9/11/2014 8:12 pm

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The movie I saw took some liberties and did some inventing, but I still liked it a lot. The story isn't one we're taught in school and I was a little disappointed that I didn't find it til I was in my fifties! Poland was a lot bigger power in the seventeenth century and kept the east at bay. Jan Sobieski made his military and political career defending the west. He was very good at it.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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9/11/2014 10:26 pm

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Thanks nomo. I see it exactly the same way you do. Just a fraction of an inch one way or the other and it all comes crashing down- the butterfly effect. And this one is a great story. It would be hard to fuck it up. Everybody loves a hero, and that old man was certainly a hero.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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9/12/2014 9:33 am

    Quoting mcmaniac:
    Very interesting , I'll be looking for the movie!
The movie isn't action packed- it stressed the spiritual aspects of the struggle a bit too much for me. But It's the only movie I know of about the battle. Lots of movies about history are a bit inaccurate or dramatized in a sappy way. This one is an Italian/Polish collaboration, so I was prejudiced in its favor. The Winged Hussars alone made me swoon like a school girl.

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08540Tantrafun 60M  
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9/12/2014 3:59 pm

Awesome post. Learned something new. Thank you.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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9/12/2014 5:05 pm

    Quoting 08540Tantrafun:
    Awesome post. Learned something new. Thank you.
Thank you, kama! That's a fine compliment coming from you. You are interested in everything and very inquisitive. I'm sure that you know something about the history of this though- it isn't that far from your neck of the woods, is it?

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getlucky2132 45M
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9/12/2014 5:21 pm

I did not know this, and thanks for the heads up on the movie.

There was another Sept 11 in Chile 1973, when the CIA had Pinochet pull a coup. I want to say there's a documentary on it esp on the net, like Top Documentaries or somewhere?

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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9/12/2014 5:32 pm

    Quoting getlucky2132:
    I did not know this, and thanks for the heads up on the movie.

    There was another Sept 11 in Chile 1973, when the CIA had Pinochet pull a coup. I want to say there's a documentary on it esp on the net, like Top Documentaries or somewhere?
I saw that movie about Allende. It was really really good! The movie about the Battle of Vienna isn't nearly as good, but I suffer from hero worship of Jan Sobieski and we take what we can get, in these cases. I would rather have seen a movie that dealt more strictly with the facts. Still, it's worth watching.
thanks for reading and making comment- hurry back!

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sweet_VM 65F
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9/14/2014 2:40 pm

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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9/14/2014 6:29 pm

Thank you V! I don't think Jan III intended it but he made our world safe to write about fucking.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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9/18/2014 8:45 pm

    Quoting apollorising2021:
    The French Nights stopped them in the west and then later they were stopped at the gates of Vienna. I think the battle for the eastern half of the old Roman Empire has just begun! The ISIS are going to become ass wipes!
A couple of things were interesting to me about the Battle of Vienna. The date, and that it is that age old battle between the east and west. I also loved the role that Jan III played. Poland was already on the wane at the time of the battle, It was a sort of last hurrah for both Jan III and for the Kingdom of Poland.
It seems unlikely to me that the more conservative elements of Islam will achieve a long term victory. It strikes me as a backlash movement. But they can wreak havoc while losing. And yet it still surprises me whenever I'm reminded that there is still very pervasive arch conservative social and political thought in the region- and here as well. If the arc of history swings inexorably toward progress, I'm ready to see it do some swinging. Any time now would be good.

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