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kzoopair 73M/71F
8610 posts
9/17/2014 6:34 pm
Building Plans


Forgive me father for I have sinned. It has been six days since my last post.
I've had to re-think my shop plans. My house is small. At least the footprint- the ground floor square footage- is small. And that limits my building options. So if I build a shop I won't be able to build a bigger garage later on without adding on to my house. We have a loft and a semi finished basement room, but they don't count for accessory building purposes. So I'm doing a lot of head scratching and thinking. I have an attached one car garage, and over the last couple of years I've thought about converting it to a bedroom, and building a bigger garage. I never expected that this would get so goddamned complicated. I'm not made of money and I really don't care to get into long term construction projects, especially since I always do all this stuff myself. Borrow money and pay a contractor? I'd rather drive a nail through my foot.

I've got a big lean-to on the back of my garage- bigger than the shop I had planned. I guess I could make that my shop. But the logistics are a bit complicated- where will I store all my shit? And if I convert the existing garage, where do I store all that shit? Don't even think of suggesting that I get rid of shit. I am a life long scrounger and collector. When I have accumulated enough shit I actually do build shit out of that shit. I have two piles of scrounged lumber that will go into any building projects I might undertake. All they cost me was time and a bit of sweat.

I decided against buying the huge oak timbers I looked at. It was just getting too expensive. I needed to buy a trailer to move it and we really couldn't arrive at a price I wanted to pay. The cost was kind of scaring me. I think I can get a better deal by buying timber cut to spec from my buddy at the sawmill. I've got some very big cherry trees on the place that are getting a bit old and should be taken down. I might be able to strike a deal to have them cut for a share of the lumber. They would bring a Woodmizer portable mill right here and saw it up on the Ponderosa. A year air drying should season it well enough. That would probably be enough to build a shop, or a shed for storage, and a bedroom.

So, I'm still thinking. And re-thinking. Never let it be said that I don't plan things. And re-plan things, and sweat bullets over the fucking plan. I might not make the smartest choice in the end, but it ain't for lack of planning.

Through all of this, my wife says "Do whatever you want. Spend whatever you need to." And she means it. If she would try to thwart me even a little bit, I might be able to get something done just out of contrariness. But no, she just leaves it up to me.


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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/17/2014 7:49 pm

    Quoting  :

You hit all the main points. But all I wanted to do was build a woodshop and then think about the other shit later. Now I have to think about the other shit first. It is perfectly feasible to make my garage a bedroom. What I am resisting is a master plan. And then I gotta stick to the fucking plan! I have a lot of room- we have an acre. The small footprint of the house is the sticking point. It wouldn't matter if the place was four stories high. And also, I really wanted a timber framed building. I have never built one, just repaired and refurbished a bit. I'm leaning toward just building something and figuring it all out later- my wife's plan. Trust in the universe. It will provide. This may turn into a blog about sex. The city might just fuck me before I'm done. m/m, forced, nc, anal, m/m oral, prostitution

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rm_ibeoldntired 59F
32 posts
9/17/2014 8:29 pm

Too funny about your wife. Most husbands would love to have a wife that said yes to all of their whims. I just wish my husband had a thought to do any home improvement. That is left to me, which I like to do, but would be nicer to do as a team. When I do need help it seems like I have to bribe him with a blow job or a fuck. Maybe that is why he doesn't help?


humorlife 56M  
5710 posts
9/17/2014 8:48 pm

"The Money Pit" has already been written. We're looking to you for a success story.

And we have no doubt that we are going to get it, permits notwithstanding.

As a lifelong shit collector myself, I feel your pain. So much so that when your shop is finished I am going to send you two or sixteen crates of my books and papers for safekeeping. Feel free to read at your leisure.

Seriously: It's interesting to watch your plans for this undertaking develop. There's an article -- perhaps for a local paper once it's all done? -- when you're finished. Keep us posted.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/17/2014 8:57 pm

    Quoting rm_ibeoldntired:
    Too funny about your wife. Most husbands would love to have a wife that said yes to all of their whims. I just wish my husband had a thought to do any home improvement. That is left to me, which I like to do, but would be nicer to do as a team. When I do need help it seems like I have to bribe him with a blow job or a fuck. Maybe that is why he doesn't help?
I was just being a smart ass. I have the best possible wife. She supports me in any goddamn dumb ass thing I want. I adore her. She will willingly help in any project and loves doing it, but she has less mechanical aptitude than an ordinary housecat. It doesn't matter. Her enthusiasm for ME is worth its weight in platinum, and her intellect is impressive. You want to help us build a shop? Sex would be optional, and negotiable. Free room and board. Oral sex no deterrent. And when finished you'd know the proper use of a slick and an adze.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/17/2014 9:27 pm

    Quoting humorlife:
    "The Money Pit" has already been written. We're looking to you for a success story.

    And we have no doubt that we are going to get it, permits notwithstanding.

    As a lifelong shit collector myself, I feel your pain. So much so that when your shop is finished I am going to send you two or sixteen crates of my books and papers for safekeeping. Feel free to read at your leisure.

    Seriously: It's interesting to watch your plans for this undertaking develop. There's an article -- perhaps for a local paper once it's all done? -- when you're finished. Keep us posted.
I also thought about cheating. A lot. Not the kind of cheating that titillates the members here, but still, cheating. My property is heavily wooded- who's gonna know?
Books and papers? Sold! I saved New Yorker magazines for forty years and then they digitized it all!
Thanks for the moral support. I lived in the country for a long time, and you could do anything you wanted. It's a bit constricting being in the city (technically) and having rules. Maybe I need to go underground....hmmmm.....
Anyway, as a male, that cherry is looking very good to me.

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bowdrie5 73M
377 posts
9/18/2014 8:06 am

I love the idea of building things out of scrounged shit. I have a good friend in Utah who started with the box from a Sears cargo van for a bedroom and built an entire 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom home with a large kitchen and a huge bar (nicer than many of the dive bars i have been in). He paid $1000 for 40 acres and sold four 5 acre lots for $2000. His building materials and cargo van cost about $875 and a lot of time and labor so he now has a very nice home and 20 acres with a $125 profit.


kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/18/2014 10:18 am

    Quoting AmeliaCox:
    Just to get you to do it out of contrariness, I'm going to say that you will get too mired in the planning to get anything done.
Thank you honey! I knew I could count on you! I AM a contrary son-of-a-bitch.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/18/2014 10:21 am

    Quoting mcmaniac:
    Plan, plan and re-plan. Measure twice, cut once. How exciting to have so many options, even though multiple options can get in each others way.
That is exactly right. I've kind of got shopper's shock, too many permutations and options. At least, now I finally have time for it.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/18/2014 10:25 am

    Quoting bowdrie5:
    I love the idea of building things out of scrounged shit. I have a good friend in Utah who started with the box from a Sears cargo van for a bedroom and built an entire 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom home with a large kitchen and a huge bar (nicer than many of the dive bars i have been in). He paid $1000 for 40 acres and sold four 5 acre lots for $2000. His building materials and cargo van cost about $875 and a lot of time and labor so he now has a very nice home and 20 acres with a $125 profit.
And I love a story like that one! Not everything I save gets used, and some of it sits a long time. I built a patio out of street pavers and "found" railroad ties once. That pile of stuff sat around for a long time before I had enough stuff, but I did get it done, I didn't spend much, and it looked great.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/19/2014 12:40 pm

    Quoting  :

Well, it IS funny, so thank you. If I can make you laugh, I'm a happy man. And I'm glad I at least have the good sense to laugh at myself. I had to learn to do things without much money, so even after I started making pretty good money, the old habits die hard. When I look back at some of the convolutions and contortions I've gone through to avoid spending a nickel, I have to shake my head and wonder...
Don't be stingy with the feathers, OK? Use them liberally. Maybe even a boa....

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/19/2014 3:58 pm

I'm a terrible procrastinator. I have power tools, but I'm mostly interested in the antiques- the wooden planes and the adzes, the drawknife. My ex complained that I never made that much stuff, I just liked screwing around with the old tools.She was partly right, but what exactly was wrong with that? I made a set of raised panel doors from pallet lumber, using a wooden plow plane and a wooden jack plane. That shut her up for a while.
When I acquire a new antique, I can't wait to tune it up and try it!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/19/2014 5:24 pm

    Quoting apollorising2021:
    I have some neglected projects on hold around the house just waiting for the right tools and materials and me to get started on them. I find once I buy the tools and materials for the project I get started right away and I enjoy it.
Oh, and every new project calls for tool purchases. I see a Japanese timber saw in my future.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/20/2014 3:18 pm

    Quoting  :

Thanks, GoodYear! I sure hope the planning pays off. Unplanned snags always turn up, whatever you're doing. I had expected the code restrictions to be a sticking point,and they kind of are, but not in the way I expected. This house is a shack- built small, added on, added on again, and then again. And not much of it done well. It's multiple levels, and a planning nightmare- the grandkids love it. But we needed to move in a hurry and we fell in love with it's quirkiness, and with the property. It's close to the city, but wooded and secluded. A couple of bonuses are those big old cherry trees, and a whole lot of black locust. I don't think there's a better wood for trunnels- wooden pegs- than black locust.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/20/2014 8:09 pm

    Quoting Smurfnturf:
    While you're doing all that thinking, can you come up with a clever response for me to leave on this post?
I have enough trouble maintaining my own smart ass.
I'm glad you stopped by to read it, though. You live in timber framing country- have any favorite timber framed buildings?

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