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The NPR White People's Introduction to Poverty by PD  

kzoopair 73M/71F
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1/15/2016 10:18 pm
The NPR White People's Introduction to Poverty by PD


The NPR White People's Introduction to Poverty by PD

According to several recent reports on NPR, middle class white people are falling into poverty at a rate unseen since the days when still worked 18 hour days in garment factories and men wore spats.

In 2016, expensive prescription opioids are being thrown over for cheap heroin faster than your grandmother can flip flap jacks; artisan meth manufacturing has become a growth industry; over half the US population takes anti-anxiety/depression meds (until they can't afford health insurance anymore); and the most suicidal group of people in the country are now middle-aged Caucasian men.

If you listen to a lot of NPR (I do), then there's a real good chance you already are a white person, and you might think, wow, this is news? You might think you'd damn well know if you were falling into poverty or not, thank you very much. Falls of any kind suck and most human beings do notice them, even white human beings.

But you'd be wrong.

Many of the universal features of poverty are more or less unknown to middle class white people, and the few aspects of poverty we do understand tend to get chalked up to someone else's laziness or lack of character. So when these things happen to US, after we feel we've been GOOD and done everything RIGHT, it seems that we freak out comically and reach for the hypodermic or start attending Trump rallies and taking over bird sanctuaries.

It's not that we are bad people. We are not bad.

It's just that many of us have never been poor before. We take it personally because it's new and we don't understand what it means. We think it's about us. Isn't everything about us?

We're just ignorant, that's all. But we can learn. I believe we CAN learn.

I personally have been poor more than I've been anything else in my life, and I don't let it freak me out anymore. All you really have to do to stay mellow is recognize that you ARE poor and that it just is what it is. It really isn't about you. It's about other people hogging all the goddamn money--something they won't ever ever quit doing just because you don't like it.

Once you realize this, once you learn to go with the flow and just lean into it you can even grab a chunk of serenity now and then during the giant lull between your shitty temp jobs, should you be so lucky to get any.

So if you are white and confused, please don't jump off a bridge or start foaming at the mouth at Mexican dishwashers just because new, unpleasant things are happening to you. Instead, check out the following list, and if you recognize yourself in more than one of these normal facets of poverty, take a deep breath and adjust your expectations to zero.

You'll feel a lot better, I promise.

So here goes.

You might actually be poor if:

You've ever pilfered toilet paper from public stalls or napkins from fast food places so you can wipe your ass until your next check comes.

You enjoy a filling Sunday meal composed of three different starches. (Noodles over mashed potatoes with biscuits! Beans with rice and cornbread! Boxed Mac & Cheese with white bread!)

Some of your favorite sweet treats contain no actual food.

You can't get a bank account and have to pay to cash your checks at storefront loan shops.

You rent sleeping space in your step-uncle's trailer but some other guy is always in your bed.

You shop for new furniture and household items on trash day.

You are an adult person and have more than four roommates.

Your TV only gets three channels and two of them are in Spanish.

Your last three jobs required a hairnet, a stupid hat, or a name tag that says "I like to help!"

You've ever taken expired veterinary meds instead of going to the doctor.

You've had your electricity or water shut off more than once.

Crack addicts won't break into your house because they are afraid you'll rob them.

You buy black market laundry detergent.

You sell black market laundry detergent.

You have four jobs and three of them are conducted out of your garage.

You dream of the day when you can move back into a luxurious manufactured home community.

You think the women shopping at Walmart are hot.

Your idea of a romantic evening involves a candlelight spaghetti dinner with canned Ragu sauce, Velveeta, and a fresh bottle of Wild Irish Rose.

You think that someday you really might win the lottery.

Your beloved is missing more than three teeth.

You consider ketchup packets and soda crackers to be versatile cooking staples.

I could go on, but I think you get the drift. Maybe none of this seems all that funny, or maybe you are still clinging to the delusion that "middle class" refers to any person making between $12,000 and $240,000 a year. If that's how it is, carry on, don't mind me.

But if, on the other hand, you are starting to realize that the other side of 'lonely at the top' is 'crowded at the bottom', then pull up a chair, pop a malt liquor, and pass the soda crackers.

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08540Tantrafun 60M  
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1/15/2016 11:44 pm

America used to be a land of opportunity, since the nineties it has become a land of opportunists. Just 67 people own more wealth than 3.5 billion of the worlds poor.

The Idea of American exceptionalism and Project for New American Century transformed America by trying to cause regime change in 5 middle eastern countries. plus Ukraine (google pnac for more). Asst Secretary Victoria Nuland is a neo con, the architect of Ukraine regime change and the wife of Robert Kagan who along with Bill Kristol was the authors of PNAC.

One world order in which not America but American corporations and U.S dollar rules the world became Washington policy. Corporatism replaced colonialism to a great extent. White men who benefited from the colonial past especially British and french men lost out the most.
White men who were the back bone of Industrial America also lost out when Industries moved to foreign shores because of trade agreements. White women and Asians are competing with them for the white collar, high paying jobs like IT and Medicine while Hispanic and blacks compete for blue collar factory and service jobs like UPS drivers and construction.
With educated white women still wanting to "marry up" it is really tough for average young white men who are not highly paid. For every email I got here from a woman, my wife got over 100. With the new fetish for BBC, they can't even get laid. No wonder the suicide rate is so high with them feeling helpless and hopeless. Quickest way out of this situation is to think and act like an immigrant or to become one. Follow the money to which ever country the investments are going.

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iwalkstilts 48M
2869 posts
1/15/2016 11:57 pm

Well at least it's all downhill from here.


Furbal1972 51M
18571 posts
1/16/2016 1:34 am

    Quoting yesmamallthetime:
    Very thought provoking. I know fear mongering is a political game. I did not realize that fear of losing one's standing as middle class was such a mental task. I too have always been poor. I almost wrote about how being on Black Flirting is a luxury really. Most folks do not have the leisure time to focus on our "sex lives." I am glad I can discuss this with someone who understands. I think Furball, the taxi driver talks about stuff similar in scope. I have not been desperate enough to steal toilet paper in a while but I did when I was in college. LOL It is true that corporations are so screwing up this world. I am not sure if it is worse than when monarchs ruled the world. I am glad Pope Francis talks about greed a lot. I know the Catholic Church has lots of riches and artifacts. The accumulation of wealth, hoarding stuff out of greed is sickening to me. We need to reiterate what President Obama said(paraphrased)... "the financial crisis was not caused by food stamps recipients." The scape goating of the poor and less fortunate as moochers in our society fails to look at the real problem...greed and the failure of economic polices since Reagan. The US is divided for sure in folks that want to scape goat the poor and immigrants and those that want answers for a better standard of living for all. If socialism is the term for a decent standard of living then the US should have more of it, not less.
It's not "steeling" TP! (If you use it.)

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Furbal1972 51M
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1/16/2016 1:36 am

I really to have too much of the "been there, done that" syndrome to comment further and will just admire what you wrote.

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khuXBFXM8u 62M
10296 posts
1/16/2016 6:47 am

When someone else makes all the rules, they never change things to work in your favor, not matter what the loudest voice in the room says. Now if rules makers can only blames someone else for your problems, you'll just focus on the others for a while, while the rule are changed again so you get less. The best part is, the majority jump on the bandwagon to ride to thier own demise.

There that biblical proverb... "It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven". I think that that holds true for a Billionaire, who promises to do anything on your behalf, other than firing your ass.

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FL_Gonz 77M

1/16/2016 7:02 am

Wow.....I have experienced being poor in the past ,,,,,,,,like a roller coaster ride growing up.... didn't know I was poorer than I thought after reading "the list"....Hell I thought some of those things on the list were the norm and everyone partook in the activity/experience....Hated being poor....... but now retired and content


tickles4us 62M
7262 posts
1/16/2016 7:03 am

I think the long standing attitude in the corporate world to fuck over your workers only got worse when all the company take overs, buy outs and consolidations got going full steam. Then it became an accepted practice to minimize pay and benefits by simply not increasing them or reducing them or shifting employee's status from full time to part time with no benefits.

Not the CEO's of course they got huuuuge pay and benefit increases to fuck over the working citizens. That way the companies stock value went higher as the profit that was going to the benefit of the workers was shifted to improve the bottom line and thus the market value of the stock.

Then you add to that the corporate influence in the government to get the capital gains taxes reduced and make it even more beneficial for the companies to leave the employees with the short end of the stick.

But hey aren't you glad you had so much money to invest in the stock market and make such a killing on your investments. Or was it the investments that killed you. We must not forget the wall street pigs have a need to make their profits, at great expense to the investor.

Vote for Bernie because the alternative could get ugly when the people finally get fed up.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
1/16/2016 8:12 am

    Quoting 08540Tantrafun:
    America used to be a land of opportunity, since the nineties it has become a land of opportunists. Just 67 people own more wealth than 3.5 billion of the worlds poor.

    The Idea of American exceptionalism and Project for New American Century transformed America by trying to cause regime change in 5 middle eastern countries. plus Ukraine (google pnac for more). Asst Secretary Victoria Nuland is a neo con, the architect of Ukraine regime change and the wife of Robert Kagan who along with Bill Kristol was the authors of PNAC.

    One world order in which not America but American corporations and U.S dollar rules the world became Washington policy. Corporatism replaced colonialism to a great extent. White men who benefited from the colonial past especially British and french men lost out the most.
    White men who were the back bone of Industrial America also lost out when Industries moved to foreign shores because of trade agreements. White women and Asians are competing with them for the white collar, high paying jobs like IT and Medicine while Hispanic and blacks compete for blue collar factory and service jobs like UPS drivers and construction.
    With educated white women still wanting to "marry up" it is really tough for average young white men who are not highly paid. For every email I got here from a woman, my wife got over 100. With the new fetish for BBC, they can't even get laid. No wonder the suicide rate is so high with them feeling helpless and hopeless. Quickest way out of this situation is to think and act like an immigrant or to become one. Follow the money to which ever country the investments are going.
Tantrafun, totally agree with you that corporations have replaced colonialism as a force for oppression in these times, and also agree that Americans should seek solidarity with immigrants instead of fearing them. Here in the US everyone is so angry that humor is one of the few ways I can talk about anything political. Thanks for your insightful comments. We are on the same page for sure.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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1/16/2016 8:13 am

    Quoting iwalkstilts:
    Well at least it's all downhill from here.
That's a true story. Hoard matches. They'll be worth their weight in Porsches eventually.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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1/16/2016 8:15 am

    Quoting yesmamallthetime:
    Very thought provoking. I know fear mongering is a political game. I did not realize that fear of losing one's standing as middle class was such a mental task. I too have always been poor. I almost wrote about how being on Black Flirting is a luxury really. Most folks do not have the leisure time to focus on our "sex lives." I am glad I can discuss this with someone who understands. I think Furball, the taxi driver talks about stuff similar in scope. I have not been desperate enough to steal toilet paper in a while but I did when I was in college. LOL It is true that corporations are so screwing up this world. I am not sure if it is worse than when monarchs ruled the world. I am glad Pope Francis talks about greed a lot. I know the Catholic Church has lots of riches and artifacts. The accumulation of wealth, hoarding stuff out of greed is sickening to me. We need to reiterate what President Obama said(paraphrased)... "the financial crisis was not caused by food stamps recipients." The scape goating of the poor and less fortunate as moochers in our society fails to look at the real problem...greed and the failure of economic polices since Reagan. The US is divided for sure in folks that want to scape goat the poor and immigrants and those that want answers for a better standard of living for all. If socialism is the term for a decent standard of living then the US should have more of it, not less.
Well said, yesmam. I think socialism is the only humane form of government. It can get stodgy and slow and bureaucratic, but at least it doesn't throw away children, old people, and the poor.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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1/16/2016 8:16 am

    Quoting Furbal1972:
    It's not "steeling" TP! (If you use it.)
I don't know--some industrial toilet paper FEELS like it has chunks of steel in it.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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1/16/2016 8:17 am

    Quoting Furbal1972:
    I really to have too much of the "been there, done that" syndrome to comment further and will just admire what you wrote.
And back at ya, Furbal! 1972 was a very good year.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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1/16/2016 8:18 am

    Quoting  :

Thanks for commenting Sassy Gigi!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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1/16/2016 8:21 am

    Quoting mcmaniac:
    Woohoo!!!! I only got one on that list, I often have my water cut off because I wait for the cut off notice to pay. Now I'm craving Red beans and Rice!
Actually I love rice and beans with cornbread. We had cornbread last night and I ate most of it. Of course I am not surprised YOU are not poor--look at those legs, that surf, and stuff... I have a blog somewhere else that gets no traffic. It's called Grilled Cheese Jesus and it's strictly a place for me to go on a tear without getting stalked on FB. It was nice of Bill to post it here too.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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1/16/2016 8:23 am

    Quoting  :

That's true dragonlady. The most I ever made in my life was 34K annually. It was just about enough for one person, but it was luxurious. Just enough for a roof, three meals, and a car. But that was over ten years ago. Don't know if would go that far today. Without Bill I'd likely be pushing a shopping cart around South Florida.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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1/16/2016 8:25 am

    Quoting khuXBFXM8u:
    When someone else makes all the rules, they never change things to work in your favor, not matter what the loudest voice in the room says. Now if rules makers can only blames someone else for your problems, you'll just focus on the others for a while, while the rule are changed again so you get less. The best part is, the majority jump on the bandwagon to ride to thier own demise.

    There that biblical proverb... "It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven". I think that that holds true for a Billionaire, who promises to do anything on your behalf, other than firing your ass.
Too true, khu. In this country, rich people know how to pit us against each other, arguing about stuff they don't plan to give any of us. Very depressing. Until we quit falling in line, more of the same I think, but extreme wealth is a poverty of its own, a spiritual one.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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1/16/2016 8:27 am

    Quoting FL_Gonz:
    Wow.....I have experienced being poor in the past ,,,,,,,,like a roller coaster ride growing up.... didn't know I was poorer than I thought after reading "the list"....Hell I thought some of those things on the list were the norm and everyone partook in the activity/experience....Hated being poor....... but now retired and content
Hi FL Gonz. Yes, being poor sucks. I've experienced a lot of the things on the list, including the toilet paper one, but am in a better place now. This is such a rich country, there's no reason for anyone who is a citizen to suffer except for other people's greed. I don't know how young people do it now. It's hard.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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1/16/2016 8:31 am

    Quoting tickles4us:
    I think the long standing attitude in the corporate world to fuck over your workers only got worse when all the company take overs, buy outs and consolidations got going full steam. Then it became an accepted practice to minimize pay and benefits by simply not increasing them or reducing them or shifting employee's status from full time to part time with no benefits.

    Not the CEO's of course they got huuuuge pay and benefit increases to fuck over the working citizens. That way the companies stock value went higher as the profit that was going to the benefit of the workers was shifted to improve the bottom line and thus the market value of the stock.

    Then you add to that the corporate influence in the government to get the capital gains taxes reduced and make it even more beneficial for the companies to leave the employees with the short end of the stick.

    But hey aren't you glad you had so much money to invest in the stock market and make such a killing on your investments. Or was it the investments that killed you. We must not forget the wall street pigs have a need to make their profits, at great expense to the investor.

    Vote for Bernie because the alternative could get ugly when the people finally get fed up.
Oh geez, AMEN tickles. My jobs after 2008 and up until retirement showed steady losses. Each job change resulted in a pay cut of about 33% and fewer, crappier benefits. The final job I had was so bad it really wasn't worth it. I mean it might as well have been volunteer work. I hope Bernie gets the nomination. I know the party doesn't want to give it to him but we need him now, like, bad. Thanks for your thoughts. I agree, all around.

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spunkycumfun 63M/69F
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1/16/2016 10:33 am

A brilliant post.
Here in the UK two increasingly popular terms are in-work poverty (with social security benefits going to those in work) and corporate welfare (business subsidies). Both suggest that the goverment and ordinary people are subsidising business to allow a few to get richer and the many to get poorer.
There used to be a nebulous and erroneous distinction between the deserving and undeserving poor. But even the elites have stopped using that distinction. You're either a deserving worker (in a hard-working family) or an undeserving, scrounging unemployment statistic.
The older I've become, the more Marxist I've become!
Sorry, rant over!


kzoopair 73M/71F
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1/16/2016 1:43 pm

    Quoting  :

I grew up in a better time too, KtMnDu. A lot of people say the US can't afford health care, social services, good paying jobs--but when I was a kid it could, and the country has even more money today. It's just about what we want to make a priority.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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1/16/2016 1:47 pm

    Quoting spunkycumfun:
    A brilliant post.
    Here in the UK two increasingly popular terms are in-work poverty (with social security benefits going to those in work) and corporate welfare (business subsidies). Both suggest that the goverment and ordinary people are subsidising business to allow a few to get richer and the many to get poorer.
    There used to be a nebulous and erroneous distinction between the deserving and undeserving poor. But even the elites have stopped using that distinction. You're either a deserving worker (in a hard-working family) or an undeserving, scrounging unemployment statistic.
    The older I've become, the more Marxist I've become!
    Sorry, rant over!
That's OK, Spunky, rant away! Some things are worth getting angry about. Here in the US no one wants to admit to being poor or talk about poverty because we've come to equate poverty with poor character and laziness, as if poverty itself proves unworthiness by default. I hate that. I think Marx gets a bad here. He's always getting blamed for Soviet Bloc communism, which really was totalitarianism, a corrupt kind of group dictatorship. Marx just wanted to talk about issues with Capitalism eating itself and the alienation of laborers from labor and the products thereof. Americans are encouraged to be proud of ignorance. It's ... uh, ignorant. (But I am not proud of that.)

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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1/16/2016 1:51 pm

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I had a husband like that too. I try not to think about it or talk about it. I feel kind of ashamed of it, like ugh, I married that leech-loser-creepo. I forgive myself--it was a low time in my life and I get why I did it and why I should not have--but wow, you can lose a lot marrying the wrong person. I was just lucky my lawyer found a way to get my out of it. Lost everything though.

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NaughtyInSO 113F
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1/16/2016 3:28 pm

    Quoting kzoopair:
    Well said, yesmam. I think socialism is the only humane form of government. It can get stodgy and slow and bureaucratic, but at least it doesn't throw away children, old people, and the poor.
I'm sorry.. Did I read this correctly " ... but at least it [socialism] doesn't throw away children, old people, and the poor." ??

Let me tell you what happened to children in that society that were born with Down syndrome - they were euthanized and mothers were told that children were still born.

Old people? Everyone over 60 was considered old and medical treatment for old people was cut to a bare minimum - no surgeries, no expensive procedures; very limited amount of care.

Poor? Most people were poor, but the poorest were those who were forced to retire because their pension couldn't pay for food, not to mention utilities, transportation, etc.

Forgive me if I don't buy your idealistic notion that " ...socialism is the only humane form of government." I lived it, I watched my elderly neighbors starve, I witnessed the devastation of a friend when her child "died at birth".

I'd much rather be poor in this country than in one with "only humane form of government".

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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1/16/2016 3:37 pm

    Quoting NaughtyInSO:
    I'm sorry.. Did I read this correctly " ... but at least it [socialism] doesn't throw away children, old people, and the poor." ??

    Let me tell you what happened to children in that society that were born with Down syndrome - they were euthanized and mothers were told that children were still born.

    Old people? Everyone over 60 was considered old and medical treatment for old people was cut to a bare minimum - no surgeries, no expensive procedures; very limited amount of care.

    Poor? Most people were poor, but the poorest were those who were forced to retire because their pension couldn't pay for food, not to mention utilities, transportation, etc.

    Forgive me if I don't buy your idealistic notion that " ...socialism is the only humane form of government." I lived it, I watched my elderly neighbors starve, I witnessed the devastation of a friend when her child "died at birth".

    I'd much rather be poor in this country than in one with "only humane form of government".
When PD and I think of socialism the former Soviet Union isn't what comes to mind. In fact I think what was practiced there was closer to fascism than to communism. The Bolsheviks succeeded in branding what they did as socialism, but I'm not buying it. They perverted Marx and sought personal power once they had seized it. What they created became totalitarianism with little to differentiate it from Nazi Germany. You can call a pig a goddess but that doesn't make it so. There are humane democratic socialist countries in western Europe that do not throw away children, old people and the poor, and that's what's being admired here.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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1/16/2016 10:30 pm

    Quoting Discretewizard:
    We've been conned for quite a while now. I'm glad to see so many beginning to realize that., and are just beginning to get angry about it. Perhaps that anger will motivate us to make the changes necessary.
Right on!

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