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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/5/2016 10:57 am

    Quoting VenusRising11:
    Wonderful post, kzoo! Thanks for sharing so much with us. Cigarettes and sugar are the monkeys on my back......I will probably always fight them both, and figured I didn't need any others.
Thanks Venus. Sugar is kind of an interesting side note for me. I used to have a sweet tooth. In my forties I had got debilitated and out of shape and decided that if I was going to keep doing the things I like to do I'd better get a handle on it. I changed how and what I ate and one of the things I cut out was sugar. I didn't stop it completely but I did cut it back gradually. I began to notice that the less sweet stuff I ate, the less I craved more sweets. In a fairly short time my craving for sweets had disappeared. And I almost didn't notice it happening!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/5/2016 10:58 am

    Quoting  :

Than you Vixen! See- I can enlighten once in a while!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/5/2016 11:01 am

Thank you. I eventually came to the same place you did- that I didn't like not being in control. It bothers me less now that I have some experience, and the craving, the need to get high just doesn't have the same allure that it used to.

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Peter12953 70M
83 posts
6/5/2016 11:39 am

At one point I saw someone use crack for the first time. The first words out of her mouth were "I want more".


kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/5/2016 12:05 pm

    Quoting  :

Thank you!

You threw me for a minute with "bin them"...

I can't remember how many times I quit smoking , for a month, six months, two years. It was always stress that started me again. When people ask me what I would do over I've always said "Nothing", but that isn't true anymore. If I could go back and counsel my younger self, I'd slap that cigarette out of my mouth and keep slapping.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/5/2016 12:09 pm

    Quoting  :

I had bad experiences too, but I'm a slow learner.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/5/2016 12:11 pm

    Quoting Peter12953:
    At one point I saw someone use crack for the first time. The first words out of her mouth were "I want more".
Succinct, and eloquent. Thanks.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/5/2016 12:14 pm

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Thanks MissK. I never struggled with anything the way I struggled with quitting smoking. And then, when I'd one day had enough, I just packed it in and never smoked again. Lord, how I wish that day had come sooner.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/5/2016 3:27 pm

Thanks, eMAN. I really appreciate the all support you give me!

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NaughtyInSO 113F
9755 posts
6/5/2016 5:39 pm

I don't think that declaring any substance illegal could result in stopping it's use. People would try anything out of curiosity or as a rebellion, or for many other reasons. War on any forbidden substance would only result in growth of black market. The use will never stop.

I am a smoker. Have been for 50 years. There was a time when I had to stop because of illness, but after that was dealt with I started again. I'm old enough to know all the risks and stubborn enough to ignore them. Surprisingly, my oncologist never suggested I quit smoking. I smoke the same number of cigarettes a day since I started and never inside or around non-smokers, children or animals. And I don't plan to quit.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/5/2016 7:48 pm

    Quoting NaughtyInSO:
    I don't think that declaring any substance illegal could result in stopping it's use. People would try anything out of curiosity or as a rebellion, or for many other reasons. War on any forbidden substance would only result in growth of black market. The use will never stop.

    I am a smoker. Have been for 50 years. There was a time when I had to stop because of illness, but after that was dealt with I started again. I'm old enough to know all the risks and stubborn enough to ignore them. Surprisingly, my oncologist never suggested I quit smoking. I smoke the same number of cigarettes a day since I started and never inside or around non-smokers, children or animals. And I don't plan to quit.

    Great post!
I agree with you, and we have plenty of evidence to back us up. Prohibition doesn't work.

I'm not going to evangelize about other people quitting smoking. People who did that when I smoked were a pain in the ass. But I sure as hell wish I had quit earlier- years earlier! I had examples- a good friend, a guy fifty years my senior had emphysema and couldn't walk a hundred feet without resting. I shoulda learned from his condition!

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sweet_VM 65F
81699 posts
6/6/2016 9:01 am

Excellent post KZ.. I never got trap in smoking so I was lucky I never got addictive. For myself I never did drugs either. I do like to drink a little. That is my only addition besides coffee.. Now sex can be another addition. But is that a bad one? Not for me! hugsssssssssss V

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/6/2016 9:07 am

    Quoting joisygirl:
    I'm glad you are reformed in many ways. I've never tried drugs or even tobacco. I do however, have an addictive personality. Alcoholism on both sides of the family, functioning alcoholics and even drug addicts. Thanks for sharing another very informative post Kzoo.
Reformed? That sounds kind of harsh. I did sort of regroup and take a different approach.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/6/2016 9:09 am

    Quoting sweet_VM:
    Excellent post KZ.. I never got trap in smoking so I was lucky I never got addictive. For myself I never did drugs either. I do like to drink a little. That is my only addition besides coffee.. Now sex can be another addition. But is that a bad one? Not for me! hugsssssssssss V
Thanks. You were smart!
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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/6/2016 10:28 am

    Quoting joisygirl:
    Um, yeah, I did re-think that word as soon as it was on the page, but then I just left it stand. I'm glad you are you! xo
After all, I got a reputation to maintain!

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wickedeasy 74F
32404 posts
6/6/2016 11:49 am

having spent a good deal of time with addicts, I think your assessment is in large part true. given a true chance at a better life, many will move away from drugs successfully. tbs, addictive behavior is a psychologically more difficult to attach.

the only thing I've ever been addicted to is cigarettes, physiologically. but I have the behavior and so I steer clear of things that could claim me. yanno?

You cannot conceive the many without the one.


kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/6/2016 2:37 pm

I think a lot of things go into making an addict, and I'm sure environment isn't the only thing- it affects the wealthy as well as the poor, and people who would seem to have everything can be addicts too. There are nearly as many theories as there are theorists. But criminalizing it has been singularly unhelpful and the war on drugs is a farce. Surely it would be worth a try to address issues of poverty and alienation as a first step in prevention.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/6/2016 4:01 pm

    Quoting  :

Thanks Cinnamon, but I've come to think it was kind of a matter of luck. I used to give myself credit for being of stronger will that the people I knew who couldn't quit, but now that I'm older I can see it differently. Lot's of things could have gone wrong and didn't, so I was able to taper off over a few years and finally just stopped altogether.

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HermanG67 56M
8464 posts
6/7/2016 7:30 am

thank you for sharing this kzoo


kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/7/2016 10:00 am

    Quoting HermanG67:
    thank you for sharing this kzoo
And thank you for reading it, Herman.

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08540Tantrafun 60M  
1072 posts
6/7/2016 10:50 am

"some social support from their own kind " Bill that is all that is needed.Every year millions of people are given the purest kind of heroin when they go in for surgeries of all kinds. People who have a little support don't become addicted. Others do. Over 100million prescriptions for opioids are filed every year. Dopamine is the basis of all addictions. It is what motivates us to do anything. If nothing is motivating us and the level of stress is high, we self medicate with alcohol, drugs, tobacco, internet, sex and sugar etc. Great post.

You might remember my post about isis and the discussion with Dr.Calypso Flame. I had said that it is "Arab exceptionalism" that is fueling terror not religion. In muslim culture a man has to pay dowry to the brides father to marry his daughter. With oil price collapsing, no jobs and media showing sheiks living the grand life, average Arab cant get married(high expectations).

There are 175 million Muslims in India only 4 joined isis, 3 returned one remain fearful of procecution. With India's economy growing at 7.6% people of all religions have hope of a better future. The level of violence is remarkably low for the population. Hurricanes, droughts, heat waves and missing monsoons etc causes hopelessness, breaks social support and violence/addictions follows.

India instituted something similar to USA's WPA (during great depression) in Afghanistan. A few hundred million dollars worth. Gave them shovels and pick axes to build a high way and a dam. 2 days ago PM Modi and Afghan President Inaugurated the dam that helps to irrigate 100000 acres. No terrorism in that part of Afghanistan.
Hope our government will do the same here and get our hopeless and helpless unemployed people to build next generation railroad and other infrastructure. Workfare not welfare is the answer. Work gives a person dignity, social support and motivation, just giving money takes it away.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/7/2016 11:41 am

    Quoting 08540Tantrafun:
    "some social support from their own kind " Bill that is all that is needed.Every year millions of people are given the purest kind of heroin when they go in for surgeries of all kinds. People who have a little support don't become addicted. Others do. Over 100million prescriptions for opioids are filed every year. Dopamine is the basis of all addictions. It is what motivates us to do anything. If nothing is motivating us and the level of stress is high, we self medicate with alcohol, drugs, tobacco, internet, sex and sugar etc. Great post.

    You might remember my post about isis and the discussion with Dr.Calypso Flame. I had said that it is "Arab exceptionalism" that is fueling terror not religion. In muslim culture a man has to pay dowry to the brides father to marry his daughter. With oil price collapsing, no jobs and media showing sheiks living the grand life, average Arab cant get married(high expectations).

    There are 175 million Muslims in India only 4 joined isis, 3 returned one remain fearful of procecution. With India's economy growing at 7.6% people of all religions have hope of a better future. The level of violence is remarkably low for the population. Hurricanes, droughts, heat waves and missing monsoons etc causes hopelessness, breaks social support and violence/addictions follows.

    India instituted something similar to USA's WPA (during great depression) in Afghanistan. A few hundred million dollars worth. Gave them shovels and pick axes to build a high way and a dam. 2 days ago PM Modi and Afghan President Inaugurated the dam that helps to irrigate 100000 acres. No terrorism in that part of Afghanistan.
    Hope our government will do the same here and get our hopeless and helpless unemployed people to build next generation railroad and other infrastructure. Workfare not welfare is the answer. Work gives a person dignity, social support and motivation, just giving money takes it away.
"Work gives a person dignity, social support and motivation..."
I love that line, Kama. One of the things that bugs me about our present culture is that trades and physical labor are not respected. We pay lip service to it, but it isn't rewarded. People who labor for their livelihood are seen as chumps.

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sexysixties2 106F
39750 posts
6/7/2016 12:14 pm

Great post Kzoo. I smoked for over 50 years and like you was forced to give it up cos my lungs couldn't do what they were meant to any more.

I live in a city with a huge drug problem especially in the marginalised areas. Luckily I personally survived the sixties without succumbing...mainly due to the fact that a friend of mine died aged 18 from a heroin overdose.


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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
6/7/2016 12:32 pm

Smoking did more damage to me than anything else- so far!

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effer2910 60M
5508 posts
6/8/2016 3:55 am

Un regard très interessant sur les toxicomanies qui offre des perspectives sans doute plus efficaces que la simple prohibition.

A very interesting look at addiction that offers prospects probably more effective than the simple prohibition.

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