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goodatpoetry2 74M
16552 posts
9/7/2016 6:01 am

" To succeed, you have to empty your head "

There's a bunch of people posting lately that seem just perfect for this...


sweet_VM 65F
81699 posts
9/7/2016 7:35 am

Meditation is on the up rise again KZ. It has saved many people. You have describe it to T hugsssssss V ty loved reading it.

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wickedeasy 74F
32404 posts
9/7/2016 8:39 am

that was beyond excellent. so clear and so true.

I will send it along. I think it will make sense to him now - I don't know how to do better.

Namaste

we

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sexysixties2 106F
39750 posts
9/7/2016 8:59 am

You brought back a memory I would rather forget.....my days of studying French Philosophers for my exams and attempting to answers the questions in French!!!

It's a long time since I have been able to get into the lotus position....but I do try to empty my mind every night before I sleep. It wouldn't be total meditation but it helps a lot.


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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 9:43 am

    Quoting Annie_34:
    Bonjour Kzoopair
    Je suis un béotien en yoga , peut-être d'une culture trop cartésienne , mais dans ma jeunesse je m'asseyais les jambes croisés sur la plage à regarder la mer .
    ♥ Bisou ♥ Poton ♥ Annie ♥


    Hello Kzoopair
    I am a boeotian in yoga, maybe excessive Cartesian culture, but in my youth I sat the cross legged on the beach watching the sea.
    ♥ Kiss ♥ Annie ♥

I don't practice yoga anymore either. In fact, I only began yoga as a result of my meditation. After a while hatha yoga became my primary focus.

Je ne pratique pas le yoga plus non plus. En fait, j'ai seulement commencé le yoga en raison de ma méditation. Après hatha de moment un yoga est devenu mon foyer primaire.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 9:49 am

    Quoting ProfPlayful:
    Thank you for writing these excellent descriptions, Kzoo. Surely these are the writings of a master of mindfulness.

    Have you ever had your brain waves scanned before, during, or after meditation?
My first response was flippant- I apologize. I zeroed right in on the opportunity to assert that I was brain dead and never gave a serious answer.
I've never had a brain scan, but I have read about them. I'm very interested in what meditative states will tell us about human consciousness.

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NaughtyInSO 113F
9755 posts
9/7/2016 9:49 am

Your vivid description made me envy you. I never achieved satori.... but still enjoy great benefits of meditation. It helps to clear my mind, and although I don't feel empty or overly peaceful, I'm able to focus on important things and forget the rest.

Great post, my friend!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 9:53 am

    Quoting smartasswoman:
    Very cool description. I've tried a few times, but have never been able to make the practice stick. Probably time to try again...
As I began writing I started remembering, and important details would occur as I read it back. Every time I read it again, I think of other ways to describe it. One word I left out is senseless, as in being knocked senseless. That's very much how satori occurred to me.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 10:01 am

    Quoting lindoboy100:
    I tried meditation when I was younger, and then about 8 years ago, then to try to manage some anxieties which were threatening to consume. Unfortunately it never worked for me, perhaps because I don't have the patience for it. Not that I'm impatient by nature, I just couldn't settle, and probably allowed skepticism to intrude. I really admire people who have the discipline to meditate, I'm kinda envious of the skill.

    Excellent post McPairs!!
I had a friend who said that she simply went to sleep when she tried to meditate. When I began the practice, I had nothing to lose and no real anxiety about the experiment- I had no real expectation of either success or failure at it. I'm pretty sure I didn't expect to continue through the winter- I was just trying it out. It DOES take some determination to keep at it. Our minds have a way of resisting being emptied. For me, the effect of slowing down, of even partial success, was very rewarding, enough so that I kept it up.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 10:04 am

    Quoting tickles4us:
    Nice post... a lot of people could use a little emptiness.
It can save your sanity to clear out the clutter and slow down. Those racing thoughts create a lot of noise and hububb.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 10:06 am

    Quoting Not_here2meet:
    Great description! I've been working on meditating and mindfulness, both, these last few months. They've really helped me overcome some issues, but I've just begun and can't manage more than a few minutes of meditating without breaking out into giggles.
I meditated every day at least once, and I made the sessions fairly long- no three minute sessions for me. Some days were better than others, but I kept at it. I'm glad I did.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 10:09 am

    Quoting pocogato12:
    The closest I came to this was the night before my lung surgery. What ever I achieved kept me from being afraid. Thank you for an exceptional post
Thank you Poco. The serenity I felt as a result of satori is nearly indescribable, and joyous.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 10:12 am

    Quoting  :

It's worth every bit of effort that you put into the practice. When it finally happened for me, I could scarcely believe it, and a part of me even doubted it, but there was no denying what had taken place.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 10:13 am

    Quoting goodatpoetry2:
    " To succeed, you have to empty your head "

    There's a bunch of people posting lately that seem just perfect for this...
I think you're quite right. It could do them a world of good!

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 10:28 am

    Quoting sweet_VM:
    Meditation is on the up rise again KZ. It has saved many people. You have describe it to T hugsssssss V ty loved reading it.
Thank you, sweet Vm, my friend. I think it was never more true than it is today that we need to slow down for our health and sanity, and to get out of our heads. We fill them up with all manner of crap that tortures and bedevils us. Let that shit go! We don't need it.

Huggggggggs B

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 10:36 am

    Quoting wickedeasy:
    that was beyond excellent. so clear and so true.

    I will send it along. I think it will make sense to him now - I don't know how to do better.

    Namaste

    we
Thank you, wicked. And I don't only mean thank you for the compliment. Thank you for reminding me of this with your question. Like I said in the post, I've drifted away from something that was once essential and life changing for me. I relived it in remembering it. There are so many gifts in life- love and sex and good food, the company of friends. Awareness is one of them. All things in moderation.

Namasté

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 10:43 am

    Quoting sexysixties2:
    You brought back a memory I would rather forget.....my days of studying French Philosophers for my exams and attempting to answers the questions in French!!!

    It's a long time since I have been able to get into the lotus position....but I do try to empty my mind every night before I sleep. It wouldn't be total meditation but it helps a lot.

Hell, I read that stuff voluntarily! Nobody made me do it! And still I suffered.

I do the same thing, emptying my head from time to time without the ritual of meditation. It's a natural response now, and done almost thoughtlessly. I think the ritual and the purposefulness is important too, though. It's good to set aside a time for just that.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 10:49 am

    Quoting NaughtyInSO:
    Your vivid description made me envy you. I never achieved satori.... but still enjoy great benefits of meditation. It helps to clear my mind, and although I don't feel empty or overly peaceful, I'm able to focus on important things and forget the rest.

    Great post, my friend!
Thank you Pet. Stunned is the word for it. Literally and figuratively I was stunned. Knocked senseless! I chased that moment for a long while afterward, which is of course not the correct approach. You let it happen, you can't chase it. Now, I think I want to do it again.



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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 11:06 am

    Quoting  :

Yes! Mindfulness. I'm fascinated by Julian Jaynes' theories of consciousness and awareness. Now science has turned its attention to meditation and meditative states in an effort to understand it. Science is unable to even define it or agree on where consciousness resides, but it has been understood through meditation for centuries.

I love this shit too. It's also great fun, and endlessly engaging. But my wife is the real expert. I'm a rank beginner.

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spunkycumfun 63M/69F
41171 posts
9/7/2016 1:15 pm

Your post is superb; you are a brilliant writer.
Of all religions, Buddhism is the most appealing not least because it's the least arrogant.
I've spent decades seeking enlightenment but, having failed, I settle for orgasms now!


kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 2:23 pm

    Quoting rockkickass69v2:
    Whenever I try to meditate I think about sex.
    So much for relaxing but at least one part of me is standing up straight. LOL!

Well, there's always yabyum. Have you tried that?

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 2:31 pm

    Quoting spunkycumfun:
    Your post is superb; you are a brilliant writer.
    Of all religions, Buddhism is the most appealing not least because it's the least arrogant.
    I've spent decades seeking enlightenment but, having failed, I settle for orgasms now!
Spunky, you are the best of friends. Thank you.

I agree with you about Buddhism. I came to it in a similar way to most of us in the west, searching as an adult. I didn't grow up with it. For me, Buddhism offers practical advice on how to live. It teaches a way to deal with the suffering in life that comes from unrealized expectations, something that happens to every one of us.

And it does not belittle orgasms. Orgasm is simply an alternative method.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 2:35 pm

    Quoting  :

I wouldn't discount the spacier experiences. I've had a few and those can be pretty entertaining!

I've had a couple of scary sessions too. They weren't enlightening but they were instructive.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
9/7/2016 3:40 pm

    Quoting  :

Thank you, Pandora.
I've done walking meditations too. And like you, I find comfort in certain activities. But this very traditional method paid off for me in the most rewarding way.

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Golly06 71M
1932 posts
9/24/2016 10:04 am

Interesting; so many ways to meditate and so many different results. I have never had your experience, but am happy with the peace and perspective I get. People think you have to be perfectly still to meditate, but it is only your mind that needs to be still. "Still" might not be the right word, "aware" might be more accurate (but, so many philosophies on this). I might take just a few seconds to meditate several times a day. In Universal terms, hours and minutes are not so different (I keep trying to explain that when I have sex; funny... women don't seem to think in Universal terms).


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