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The Past as Prologue:  

kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
2/11/2017 9:48 am

    Quoting KItkat1415:
    I am so glad you enjoyed this so much. I am sorry that we won't be discussing this one.
    Cormac McCarthy is one author that I am admire his craft of a sentence, the turn of a phrase, they say he paints with words, and yet... I never enjoy his stories.

    It's fine that we won't be discussing this. Your admiration for his writing shines through in this review.
    Kk
Well, I enjoy his prose. I enjoy the way he spins a yarn. But as Annette pointed out his perspective is pretty bleak. And if you let yourself you could wallow in that same despair as McCarthy- that there's no help for it, we're all doomed by original sin. But I'm not Catholic so I think I have a built in immunity to that particular guilt.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
2/11/2017 10:01 am

    Quoting oral4ya765:
    Those were unimaginable times, in my humble opinion anyway. I have often asked myself on which side I would have fallen on the topic of native Americans had I been alive at that time. I cannot guess that though with the benefit of historical records I have read, I know where I stand... but at the time I fear I would have felt like most. People were afraid and fear yields irrational behavior. The west seemed to be a cluster fuck of people trying to make a harsh land all neat and tidy like the East... for the most part they failed for decades to do so. There was room for all but greed led to most feeling like every inch of land would be needed as the flow of people never seemed to stop. Ironically a lot of the land fought over sits empty to this very day. The renegades and squatters seemed to threaten the ranchers and a new war erupted... ugh violent times! I am not sure if any lessons were learned during these days, it seems we rationalize their actions as if they were simply misinformed and scared people. They were greedy people for the most part (the cattlemen) who saw the land as something that they owned and could destroy if they chose. No homestead or Indian was going to stand in the way of the mighty dollar so they hired guns to make the problem go away. We are still doing this today, just under a different veil. I must keep myself in check constantly when forming opinions... I do consider the past when forming my opinions. I have caught myself generalizing when speaking about immigration and the issues at hand regarding them. I want to come down on a side of this issue I would be proud of in the future... I don't want to rationalize a poor decision later. We should all try to think that way even though it is difficult. Pardon me if I wandered a little off topic, your blogs always get me thinking 😀 I like that!
I have a dog in this fight. I admire Tecumseh as a great leader but a family among my ancestors were massacred in the early days of Tecumseh's War in Illinois. I can see both sides of that one.

The far west though seemed to be a funnel into a black hole, into which lives were poured in desperation, in a final suicidal roll of the dice. There were early warning signs for Native Americans of what was to come in King Phillip's War. The native population was decimated in that conflict. It hasn't got a lot better since.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
2/11/2017 10:04 am

    Quoting 08540Tantrafun:
    Sounds like a moving, well crafted even cathartic book. I have to get it. You may also like Bloodlands by Timothy Snyder. It is one of the most award winning books ever. It is said that history repeats itself. We were so close to Bloodlands2, with our marine strike corps in Norway and Poland ready to go forward. Media gave it minimum coverage here in the U.S. Massive amount of armor moved to the borders of Russia while the election was going on here. Russia in turn moving S400 missile batteries and their latest Sukhoi's and Migs.
    Historians will write this past few months as close to bay of pigs. With PM Cameron and Hillary loosing along with presidents of France and Prime Minister of Italy, we may have dodged WW3 and a "New world Order"/chaos. Hopefully Both Russia and Nato will stand down, and we will have twitter wars and name calling instead of lobbing nukes.
    The irony is that the crazy's in England with their Brexit and our own MAGA group may have averted a catastrophe of a kind not seen by humanity. So far only neocons in the Administration is Sec Tillerson. Bolton, Abrams and wife of the author of PNAC Asst Sec Victoria Newland (who brought about regime change in Ukraine) is out of the government.
    As usuall an awesome post Bill.
Thanks, Kama, but I'm not so sure we've dodged anything yet.

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NaughtyInSO 113F
9755 posts
2/11/2017 3:20 pm

We do have choices and it is a comforting thought. It isn't easy to make a choice that is right but we are trying. I detest violence even when it is just. However, there are times when violence is the only answer. I wish we didn't have to choose it but ...

I'm going to look for this book.


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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
2/11/2017 5:50 pm

    Quoting NaughtyInSO:
    We do have choices and it is a comforting thought. It isn't easy to make a choice that is right but we are trying. I detest violence even when it is just. However, there are times when violence is the only answer. I wish we didn't have to choose it but ...

    I'm going to look for this book.

I'd prefer a nonviolent resolution myself but power and wealth don't give anything up because we ask politely. You have to get it the same way they did- you take it. And you're right as well that the way isn't always clear. At least during our present conflict there's a clear choice between good and evil.



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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
2/12/2017 9:06 pm

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Thanks for stopping by.

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kzoopair 73M/71F
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2/13/2017 9:51 am

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No chill- it was simply brief.

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brandygirasol 55T
673 posts
2/13/2017 3:09 pm

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kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
2/13/2017 8:22 pm

    Quoting brandygirasol:
    If I May Share This Illustration With Your Blog Readers- With Your Permission Of Course!
Of course you can. And thanks.

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missthee 58F  
4511 posts
2/14/2017 6:24 am

People will complain about violence depicted in a novel and yet in film one expects /demands full realism when a fictional or historical battle is portrayed. If I was still in grad school I'd probably write a paper on that dichotomy.
I read McCarthy with the awareness of reading a work of fiction. His writing style more or less demands thar, imho.


kzoopair 73M/71F
25831 posts
2/14/2017 9:32 am

I wouldn't care to speculate about that dichotomy. I had an idea myself that I was reading a carefully researched historical novel when I picked up "Blood Meridian" and I knew it was a wild and cruel time and place. I think the overall impression of the novel is an accurate depiction of what that time and place might have been like.

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